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@nonlinear.eth
property rights, enforceable contracts, and free market economies oriented society toward nonviolent means of resource allocation the central assumption of these technologies is that scarcity is fundamental if ai successfully invalidates that assumption, how will society be reorganized?
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@lght.eth
if invalidated i have no clue but the more i ponder ai the more i see a world where all the substantial aspects of society are enhanced and potentially abundant-ized unfortunately also likely after a sustained period of chaotic disruption tho
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@pfista
attention will always be finite and scarce
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@1dolinski
good convo starter, few open ended thoughts to keep it going scarcity is still very real so well prob have a transition period and focus on those with scarce resources also a desire to create unneeded demand to satiate profit incentives Imo I like the @balajis.eth style of network state, techno-optimized community as a North Star Less of a check box accumulation, more of optimizing the art of living
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it's the other way round. society would have to reorganize for abundance to occur whatever the tech (AI, fusion, etc) the likelihood of abundance in a fragmented and highly unequal world is extremely low
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@links
Star Trek universe.
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@grunt.eth
Aren’t resources like food, energy, time and natural resources still scarce?
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@shazow.eth
a lot of scarcity exists by virtue of control or resource imbalance. hard to imagine ai solving imperialism (or individualism at smaller scales) and balancing combinatorial resource contentions (including human population).
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@abundance
we'll need to organize it around... @abundance ;)
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@dlkakbs
In that scenario, a major shift would happen, not just in how systems work, but in how we understand life itself. Property, work, value, all these are the things modern life is built on, and for most people that’s where meaning comes from, even if they don’t always say it out loud So if those things start to shift, we might see new ways to make sense of what matters. And might start seeing decentralized but connected communities take shape
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@qt
It will reorganize under the fundamental premise that scarcity is scarce, and will structure accordingly, which is what scares a lot of people.
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@coolbeans1r
non violent my ass lol
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@0xlicknand
Not sure on your history. Property rights require violence to enforce them. If you disagree, go steal something in front of a cop. Eventually an agent of the state will bonk you on the head if you refuse to yield to someone else's authority. And free market economies only possible through massive state intervention (2008 bailouts, political campaigns against trade unions, government subsidies, etc.) Scarcity is much less of an issue than it was in the past. Especially something like food. We have the technological means already for abundance. But because of political choices, we got billionaires and a new iPhone every year instead. What happens in the future will be a matter of what political battles get fought and won. If the Musks and Altmans of the world continue to hold the keys to the shoggoth, then we could have absolute abundance but scarcity for the rest of us could be maintained. What happens next is an utterly political question. Technological questions are secondary.
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@normancomics.eth
agi will begin to emerge and take center ring. rogue quantum hackers will deploy global homomorphic injection attacks to wipe out every single agi agent and wreak havoc on finance…globalist billionaires and tech millionaires will panic & then emp attacks and wide-scale grid attacks will take down entire continents all at once. Then roving gangs of post-apocalyptic cannibals will basically ravage the wealthy. the ‘haves’ will have their skulls used for coffee-cups by the same ‘have-nots’ and creators they low-balled & grifted for years prior with their agents. /thegoodlums are set and waiting for this day.
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@grandmanjane
Scarcity isnt a fundamental assumption of these technologies-- its a socially constructed condition to uphold the power structures and wealth accumulation. Reorganization of society could maybe occur through a force of hand, like rendering the accumulated and gatekept resources as worthless, say, creating free access, but that will also come with fierce opposition from the wealthy class who stand a lifestyle and status to lose Love this question btw!!
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@randomerror.eth
idk if this is true i still want rights to my own thing even if it’s port scarcity and you can have your own thing me wanting rights on my own thing is independent from your ability/inability to have your own thing
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@koolkheart.eth
This feels like a question for both sci-fi writers and policymakers. The consequences of invalidating scarcity could break every existing system
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@drboolean
Property rights FTW
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@drrrner.eth
Counter-argument: Even if AI drastically reduces scarcity in some domains (e.g. knowledge, labor, or certain goods), it won’t eliminate scarcity in all areas particularly in physical resources (land, rare materials), attention, and status. These forms of scarcity are deeply rooted in human psychology and physical constraints, and thus will continue to drive competition and necessitate systems of allocation, coordination, and enforcement. Property rights and contracts may evolve rather than disappear shifting from ownership of physical goods to control over compute, data, influence, or access. Instead of being invalidated, the old frameworks may be reinterpreted for new forms of capital and constraint. In this view, AI changes the playing field, not the game.
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@ghostbo4.eth
I don’t really like AI , yes it makes things easier but easier never helped the people
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