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honest personal take (disclaimer: i'm not an ML expert, i just study and use a lot of social apps): i think its highly unimaginative and tired to tell new users on a social platform to "reply a lot" in order to get any engagement. social platforms, for a long time, pinned discovery as a user problem. tiktok changed that. they didn't expect users to earn attention the hard way (hustling to self-promote and get follows). instead tiktok took on discovery as a platform problem and decoupled distribution from follower count entirely: a content-first, graph-agnostic approach. on tiktok, a user's responsibility is to make good content and the algo would do the rest based micro interactions and watch behavior. YouTube took a similar approach, but favored creators who mastered their (effort intensive) rules: SEO knowledge, thumbnails, content cadence, etc. if we're hearing that discovery is a problem, the question should be: whose problem — the user's or the platform's? take long-form text platform substack: the recommender engine places more of the burden on the platform than the user, and the platform bias is towards quality via a trust graph. it recommends newsletters based on what you read, introduces editorial curation, and the "recommended by other writers" feature means that small / new writers can get regularly recommended to audiences that a specific writer's taste. each platform makes a design choice about who should work to be seen. on substack, they believe that good writers should be lifted through network effects and curation. does this scale easily? no, it scales slowly but is compounding. so why is this so hard for short-form text-based platforms like twitter, threads, bluesky, or farcaster? because short-form text is typically low-signal, high-noise. short posts on their own carry very little context or signal. it's easier to produce, but harder to evaluate. as a result, discovery for short-form text platform has relied heavily on follower graphs. twitter initially solved this with hashtags (then failed to do it at scale with lists, fleets, and circle). substack partially solved this with its writer graph (trust graph) and categories (topic / semantic clustering). and i think farcaster's open data, mini apps, and interoperability (zkTLS) can be leveraged for creative solutions here that aren't possible on other platforms. that excites me.
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To be fair, "discovery" and "distribution" are concepts that appeared after twitter and Facebook were originally designed. The original design was a follow graph -which works perfectly, if you want to follow your friends or interests, but it's very bad at consuming a large % of your time or attracting VC money. We should also have in mind that the original Twitter and FB graphs reflected relationships that were formed outside of them. For Facebook it was the university campus. For Twitter, where there is an interest graph, it used to be either an irl connection (at events for example) or a reflection of an existing "follow" (for example, I read your blog, I'll follow you on Twitter too).
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Here is a great essay on this topic https://farcaster.xyz/dwr.eth/0x5da52127
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I agree that it’s a platform problem specific to FC I think we need to see where we sit in the fc universe and what accounts are outside of us Search should move from text to a 3D graph/metaworld where I can move through the social graph to see what else is going on and who I should follow
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based take. need to think from new angles
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Agree that discovery is generally a platform problem and it’s hard to evaluate the signal in short form content I think it’s a worthwhile experiment to have new and existing users select topics they’re interested in then try to surface more content about those topics to them (in a way that doesn’t rely on follower counts so that accounts with small followers can also be discovered) Related: I actually spend ~75% of my time on FC in my notifications feed bc i have notifications turned on for ~40 accounts that i care about enough that I don’t want to miss their casts bc they’ll generally surface content I like or want to engage with
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I’m trying this week to only use my Home feed. I hate it. It’s riddled with this. This is not good content. It’s not liked, replied to, or recasted by anyone I know. It’s low effort content taking up space and it’s killing me to not go back to following feed but I’m committed to trying to for a week. This is a platform problem.
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Nice to hear a nuanced take. the equivalent of “git gud, noob” never felt helpful or genuine
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Feel like we’re just going to revisit this again in six months lol. Bookmarking for when we get there. https://farcaster.xyz/christopher/0xa95a16c7
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"reply a lot" is literally @dwr.eth advice. you have great takes, that excites me.
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really well said. open data and modular mini apps are really powerful primitives There are going to be a bunch of new ways to build discovery tools that feel personal and magical, built on top of open data
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I wish I had the mind to make a mini game here for my content
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ted, you're on the money here. discoverability problem for small accounts > low retention-rate for new users. a year ago, I criticized the auto-follow list. "be a reply guy" was the answer I got. since then, substack has boomed & farcaster has been stuck at <50K DAUs. https://farcaster.xyz/dwr.eth/0xf1bd3734
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Where do you see discoverability for smaller accounts on FC going in the next 6 months?
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well said and completely agree
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Hashtags worked because they were part of the creator pipeline. Lists, circles, involve the curator pipeline. Fleets, honestly, was nice, and I think a victim of the time it was brought alive (around the pandemic lockdowns). If they stuck with it, it might still be awesome today (so many apps have this 24hr short form thing - look at telegram even). Agreed re farcaster's open data. But also, graphs kinda matter, you've cited Substack too. Question is: create banger content, and no one sees it, or slowly reply a bit, to help more see it? TikTok changed the discovery game. X is planning to do this with grok based feeds, too. We can do so much here.
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what’s especially interesting about tiktok is that algo is super clear with graduation system. so when you post there you can get immediate feedback on what’s not working with your content in order to graduate to the next batch. not enough users stuck around for the first five seconds. not enough users watched till the end. likes, shares, etc etc. from creator perspective this really help to design the content.
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as someone who lives to ghost and post or generally be social online without pressure to perform, i *adore* this take. glad you wrote it!
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I wish bookmarks were still a thing here. As others have notes, my home feed on FC is terrible. I struggle to find content worth engaging with here. I'm starting to do a bit more on Medium now that I'm paying for that and I was delighted that it put an article by @joanwestenberg.eth in front of me today. I didn't know she was on there. Solving the discovery problem works both ways: it benefits the creator and the consumer. But I worry that it's a near intractable problem when the content quality signal to noise ratio is tipped too far to noise. The algo then needs to be very opinionated by leveraging trust signals. I'm not sure what switches were flipped, but my home feed no longer seems to prioritize 'signal' content well (and truth be told, maybe it never did).
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What then is the best advice for new users? Instead of giving likes to casts is there a better metric to track engagement? What is an authentically human thing we can do that would provide a high level of certainty that the person is real and their feedback is valid?
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