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IF we assume this is true (big if, but this is the future being pushed on us so) WHY would anyone want to bring kids into this world today, to essentially doom them into being addicts unless they win the lottery Sick stuff https://x.com/goodalexander/status/1948366346338644349?s=46
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because theres a third route where you avoid these things and produce a child that seeks more out of life
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@seneca
if it is true, crack addict or lottery player, sure.. don't have kids. but might as well end if for ourselves too, no? crack addiction and lottery life is right around the corner, why stop at kids? but since it is not true, my long winded response: alexander is a smart guy. but to say he (or anyone else) is predicting the future with any accuracy that matters is absurd. - "debt system is collapsing" seems like we've been "collapsing" since the 70s. - "high rates"? we've been at these rates and above 70s-2010s. and that's only recent history. historic rates have *always* been higher that the last 10 years. - "The state breached its fundamental social contract with massive casualties."? the state has ALWAYS been corrupt. it's by definition. massive casualties by gov is nothing new. i find this point shocking. he calls out the US gov as being some anomaly in terms of moral compass. it's prob the most sure bet in history: the state, from the church to kings to politicians, have always "broken the social contract". - Epstein? some portion of people in power, like everyone else in society, are sick individuals. just because we are getting blasted with "news that sells" doesn't mean this is anything new. - "super intelligence is probably coming". that's right. "probably". and if it does, like everyone else throughout history, we will be surprised. - modified humans are already here. adding genetics to the mix will makes things "weirder", sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean doomsday. we are all already modified humans through medicine. i cut my eye open to see better, people change hearts and lungs, others get big butts and smaller noses (nothing new). my synthesis here is: everything he talks about that is "coming" has always been here. we've been living in a fiat-debt based world since the 70s, debt has been with us since the dawn of time, machine intelligence superior to humans on various dimensions is the definition of technology and having 1000x better odds that the next guy "to change the outcomes of your children." is the norm everywhere and always. no amount of doomsday porn should prevent anyone from attempting to experience a life full of joy. at worst (small chance), agi comes and kills us all. at best (small chance), agi comes and gives us extreme abundance. and the base case? life continues. as it has always has.
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I'll weigh in since I have two small children. 1. The debt crisis is a problem, yes, and American "prosperity" over the last 3 decades is largely illusory. Solution is to remove debt from your life and ensure your children don't use it. Pay for things with cash. Hold assets. etc. 2. AGI is not about to happen because AGI is a poorly-defined conceptual phantom. Much of the doom of this argument rests here, and it's an incredibly shaky one. What if AI only ever is ... exactly what it looks like now? Generative outputs trained on massive datasets. AI future is a bunch of SaaS companies plugging agents into work streams. Hardly an apocalypse scenario. Instead, it might make us all more productive! (and therefore help alleviate any incoming debt crises). 2a. Furthermore, most of this doomer scenario relies on an elite class monopolizing AI use. But that would skew against the trend of most technologies, which tends to do the opposite: hit mass adoption and then get used to topple existing elites.
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If good parents don’t have kids, then all we will be left with are the kids or bad parents. This is basically the plot of idiocracy. I guess I also don’t buy the speed at which people say this tech is coming. Anyways, I could be wrong.
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Uh cuz there’s more to life than money and Financial stuff
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We have to accept that our elders didn’t really care about titanium dioxide contamination in Skittles recipe for 20 years, these people are not going to magically ā€œcare about the childrenā€ if it costs them, we are up against evil forces
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Bring them into the world to have them work on the family farm like in the good old days šŸ˜‚ if we're going back to Feudalismus one way or another might as well
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Hopefully we gambled enough in the 2010s to break the cycle
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Altered Carbon mentioned, instant like
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I dunno, having kids is kind of cool. So, if it’s all gonna end soon, may as well have some great memories. But also, maybe there are a bunch of lesser valued traits that’ll turn out to be super beneficial and the whole fatalistic line of thinking will turn out to be more like the peak oil and ice age fears that prevailed in the 70s.
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We either risk bringing kids into a possibly dystopian future, or we stop having kids and risk imploding our civilization because there's not enough new blood. Every Era of humanity has its issues, some more than most. You study world history enough, you realize human civilization has always been a godawful mess. I don't believe that should stop us from living our best life, rearing children, and teaching them to build a better world than what we were left with.
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There are so many ethical considerations going into this conversation. For instance, what happens to humanity, if we stop procreating?
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