ted (not lasso) avatar
ted
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crypto underestimates the cognitive overload and monetization fatigue that comes with turning everything into a coin or a market the more financial decisions a user must actively make -> the higher the cognitive burden -> the lower the engagement, satisfaction, and trust this is well researched across digital apps
EulerLagrange avatar
Turning things into a coin is the only move we have
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androidsixteen avatar
It's like blue steel, we need to learn magnum
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tldr (tim reilly) avatar
This is def true with how hypercoinification is working now. Do you think there is any way to channel the market-making power of traders without causing the average user experience to feel like trading? Eg: typical Zora user automatically shares in the trading fees only, more or less passively earning with zero downside. Have to turn on “trading mode” to trade.
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ted (not lasso) avatar
yeah we need to figure that out
Jon Commstark avatar
People like to gamble If they think they can make outsized returns with little time or mental input… they’ll come back
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Shira Stember avatar
I’m building a solve for this with @giftr.farcaster@giftr send real gifts. build connection. keep personal data private. all from a single cast.
zoo avatar
amen
rish avatar
At this point in time, I agree. However, I also think that people overlook markets once they get used to it. E.g. if you are ordering something on Amazon, you don't think about how the added GMV might impact their stock price. When you sign up for Netflix, you don't think about added subscription revenue the company is making, etc. Those markets exist and have been abstracted away. There's a new thing in crypto where the markets are 24/7 and revenues are onchain instead of a quarterly earnings report so this will take more time to abstract away but I think over time, people will similarly forget that a market exists and do what they have always done. This is not to say that a specific experiment like coining things will play out, very well might not, but just the fact that markets exist doesn't always mean that there is continuous cognitive overhead. A lot of that is novelty effect.
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ted (not lasso) avatar
Uber, Doordash, etc. are all markets I would argue that consumer adoption is largely because a) it solves an actual need, b) consumer-friendly UX
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rish avatar
100% def need to solve real problems first, just adding markets doesn't do anything
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Gabriel Ayuso avatar
most people don't care about markets, they just want to make money by selling products, services or entertainment and they just want to buy products, services or entertainment. the numbers they care about are their checking, savings and credit card accounts, nothing else. checking and savings account numbers go up? yay! did they go up enough to pay for rent, food and credit cards? yay! the end
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ted (not lasso) avatar
yeah, couldn’t agree more. i think too many people spend too much time online and forget this.
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ʞɔɐſ avatar
This is yet another reason why I tell people a Farcaster token might not be a great idea.
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ted (not lasso) avatar
as i wrote yesterday, there are plenty of apps with pseudocurrencies that have an at-scale, loyal userbase. the tokens themselves aren't the issue.
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ʞɔɐſ avatar
I’m referring to an ERC20 Farcaster token, which is not really a pseudocurrency in the same sense as those you wrote about yesterday. The examples you provided yesterday are more akin to Warps.
Nick Grossman avatar
The other day someone described a design for a consumer crypto app where the creator, consumer and speculator roles were more separated. Specifically the consumer and speculator- so like a front end that’s more consumer and a back end that’s more speculative. I’m intrigued by the idea that maybe we can achieve better creator economics with crypto apps but not cause the issue you describe w the consumer experience Feels like an experiment we need to run
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ted (not lasso) avatar
yes!!! agree!! been thinking about this, too. In a way, Zora can work like this because trading can happen on Uniswap separate from app — issue is that it still looks like trading from the app. do you recall who described this design? would love to chat with them
CHRIS DOLINSKI avatar
agree, imo a good start is with consistent language -- let the tech fade or appear when it separates "buy", "subscribe", "open" instead of "mint", "coin", "token"
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ted (not lasso) avatar
but people want to be innovators !!!! must use innovative language !!!!
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CHRIS DOLINSKI avatar
lmao you’d think we were optimizing for terms It seems even with the intent for crypto to be better, faster, cheaper somehow we created a long list of things to learn and became slower Also !!!! is hype adding 4 exclamations to the potential wait merch store !!!!
Nicholas avatar
I think this changes in 3-5 years when 1) cognitive burden is decreased to 0 by personal AI agents, and 2) utility increases significantly once we reach a turning point threshold on the way toward tokenization of everything
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ted (not lasso) avatar
agree but we’re not there yet and apps continue to put lots of extra numbers into their UX that end up making the experience confusing AF
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AJ 🧬 avatar
Have you read any of Daniel Ariely's books? "Predictably Irrational" is his most popular one. He has written about the cognitive burden financial decisions place on us. He recommends avoiding borrowing money whenever possible, living below one's means, and establishing the habit of saving and investing for the future. He advocates for tracking financial transactions to learn about ourselves. Why not allow the computers to do the mundane, difficult things? Have AI track our spending and make suggestions on how we could save more or financially align with our values more!
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AJ 🧬 avatar
meanwhile... elsewhere on Farcaster:
use plaid to pull all your bank data feed it to an ai written python script to do basic data analysis feed that data analysis and raw data to a local llm ask it how you can save money or what redundant services you use
Zach Davidson avatar
you’ve been posting bangers non stop this week
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britt avatar
might be able to align incentives here. what if we reward cognitive overload with a token?