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Degen

Hey Degens 🎩

We just shared a sneak peek of the upcoming Degen App: https://blog.degen.tips/degen-app-sneak-peak. It's built for tipping, channels, and better conversations.

The vision is set, but your input still matters. Take a look and help shape what’s next.

"Community-aligned, simple to use, and rewards the right behaviors"

I thought farcaster was striving towards this also?

I guess what I don't understand is:

- why build something so similar to farcaster?
- why splinter the community into smaller pieces?

I understand tipping is not sustainable, but idk how we got HERE.

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Why build Chrome when Firefox existed? Reddit when forums did the job? It’s not to replace, but to offer something different. Farcaster’s great for broadcasts—this focuses on discussion. We’re adding to the ecosystem, not splintering it. More choice = more users.

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Me too. I’m having trouble understanding his thinking. I don’t see it working. I’m not using a separate app just to tip my own degen w/the potential of an allowance.

I'm just.... confused 😬🤷‍♀️💀

The degen channel was garbage 🤣🤣

It was 100% farming. It’s way better now but historically it’s been terrible. 

I agree with you 100%.

yep.  I think it has all the building blocks to be the platform they need vs building something as a sidecar... but you could do Degen stuff on Farcaster + off and fuel the ecosystem of the token to allow tipping to continue endlessly.  I think too much friction to the fun and too much focus on worrying about farmers made it meh.

know how tipping could be sustainable... if you made an ecosystem of things people WANTED that provided VALUE in exchange for funds and a percentage of those go back into the ecosystem... then grow the USERS to those tools + fun so it keeps coming in and growing in the right way... and let that fund the free money drops for users etc.  but.. ya know I'm probably wrong and a social app is better.  *Shrugs*

🎩 first, but I like being part of this experiment that is Farcaster 🌶️

yep I agree with you, and I think that line of thinking is what Degen has gone through, only to see there was no visible path to making it work on here long-term.  

so I think it is a bit of a shot in the dark, very high risk, but I kind of like it, I think it puts Degen on its proper footing, which is pushing the boundaries in the space and being somewhat polarizing, rather than an almost sure death by 1000 cuts due to the flaws in the incentive systems with a 'tipping-only' token. 

I honestly don't see it that much differently to what deployer did with Bankr, he just did it in a more strategic/nuanced way.

The problem with tipping tokens is that they all get farmed to hell.

If you try to get ahead of it, the process is too complicated. 

If it's too complicated, no one opts in.

I think degen did super well in establishing a presence with tipping degen under every cast.  Idk how well a stand alone app does.  

This entire testing ecosystem is so small.  We need to keep people in 1 spot to work out the kinks.

curious if you think there is a 'tipping token' model that can actually sustain itself on here? cuz so far it is a complete graveyard. 

any tipping token is always beholden to whatever the app itself  (farcaster) wants to do, it's like launching an app on Facebook or whatever in the early days. 

build your own app, you control your own destiny.  Degen has the funds to execute so why not? 

there is a funnel of many other users from outside here who *may find it interesting, so it could be a net new funnel of users. 

*will depend on many factors, design, execution, marketing, etc.

I'm really struggling to see it too fam. We've already got a bunch of new tipping options on FC. Channels are trending towards irrelevance. This make Degen great again movement seems like it's trying to re-live what already happened, instead of finding a path forward.

def not bro, was more like go build another farcaster of your own if you think you can do a better job

Doesn’t he mean build your own mini app WITHIN Farcaster and not something that is intrinsically divisive?

Dan always says, instead of asking for more improvement to farcaster, go build your own app. so Jacek did 😂

The core problem here is that there seem to be conflicting visions of what Farcaster is, or what it should be about.

If the goal is to create a social network (which is usually understood as ‘social media’ of some sort), many of the growth ideas are likely counterproductive, or indeed self-sabotaging. To anyone outside a narrow niche, these flaws are obvious.

But if the intent is to build a semi-social protocol centered on speculation and value extraction, then those very decisions might make perfect sense. The catch is that such a model has a rather hard ceiling on growth.

In practice, these two goals may be fundamentally at odds. (or at least they are up to a certain point)

(‘wrong’ as far as human interactions are concerned)

Farcaster is still in its infancy.  I believe they will iterate and adjust, as they've done since day 1.

I understand that no one has quite figured out the proper way to incentivize people for good contributions but spreading those users out, doesn't seem to be the way.

(‘wrong’ as far as human interactions are concerned)
https://farcaster.xyz/azbest/0x62490d1e

Because Farcaster clearly rewards the wrong behaviors right now. The general idea was great though, so this project actually makes a lot of sense.

It's about as confusing as the concept of storage on here...