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Help me understand: isn’t solar a dead end? The sun doesn’t always shine, we need to 10,000x our battery capacity to run the world on solar, and we’d be strip mining the Earth for those battery metals. Nuclear is the only way. Obsession with solar only furthers oil (see Germany).
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Nuclear is good for base load. But US has more than enough sunshine. Other countries, not so much.
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Idk much here but assume the same time it’ll take to get nuclear right we’ll have solved storage and bandwidth for solar
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why not both?
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Batteries are a dead end eventually
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maybe ur looking at the middle of the curve? like before inflection point?
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This tweet puts this well into context: https://x.com/AukeHoekstra/status/1792524009311031731 Yes, nuclear is better than fossil and coal power plants should have been shut down instead of nuclear plants but shutting down nuclear caused only a temporary increase in the burning of coal.
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also Hydrogen
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You can meet a huge chunk of the energy demand in most places even with current prices and technologies for solar energy and energy storage. But both still improving rapidly. Good blog post about this: https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2023/07/12/grid-storage-batteries-will-win/ https://warpcast.com/s5eeo/0xf63670f7
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The clear choice is utility-scale solar. More capacity in less time for less money.
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While both are carbon-free sources of electricity, the big similarities end there. The biggest differences between solar and nuclear power are the cost and time it takes to build each type of generating facility. Nuclear power is much more expensive and takes much longer to bring online.
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Is nuclear the solution for the entire world? Nuclear and how it is today is only capable for a handful of countries. Many places around the world don’t have nuclear capabilities (and we actively work so they don’t get them) so should they be expected to rely on our nuclear prices. Be dependent on us?
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Batteries have come a long way. See sodium ion batteries. You can also make batteries by pumping water up and letting it drop when you need energy. Nuclear is too late, it takes to long to build..
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Maybe you didn't hear.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident
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Solar is not a dead end, no. We need a diverse basket of energy generation and localised energy generation is crucial for independence. We do not need batteries to get the value out of solar, it is very cost effective without them. The truth is we need a bit of everything and the more energy generation the merrier.
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Lithium ion batteries aren’t the only method we have of storing energy. Think hydrogen, pumped hydro, gravity storage, etc. Of course it varies depending on what country you are. In Australia we have super spaced out infra and population, we don’t even have a single grid, so nuclear is a mid option for here imo.
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Also, if we had a truly interconnected global grid, the grid becomes the battery
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I see solar as microgeneration units - I see nuclear for everything else (considering the advancements in the technology) - however what are we going to do with the waste they produce? Nothing is perfect
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Any competent energy policy will utilize pretty much everything available. 10 years ago folks would have said the cost of solar panels was too high for it to be viable. Prices on solar panels came done. Now folks are saying that the resource constraints for batteries is too much. That problem too will be resolved.
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