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There's this weird strawman version of capitalism used by Marx that many still cling to, and which seems to have completely ruined any discussions around financial incentives. For some reason it irritates me a lot when people argue about a word, but they have completely different definitions of the word 😅 "Greed" and "capitalism" are not synonymous. Capitalist mechanisms can (and should!) exist without greed as a primary driver. Marx was absolutely correct in calling out capitalism as being easily co-opted by the greedy, but when the word capitalism is used as a stand-in for the word greed, it really just makes the conversation more confusing and difficult. The word "capitalism" is now broken and useless and IMO people should stop using it, unless they very explicitly define it first.

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Humans are greedy by nature and capitalism facilitates unbridled greed.

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Any system facilitates unbridled greed. Religion, politics and even non profits. Non-profits have created a safe haven from taxes and destroyed the American medical system. We cannot look at capitalism as a lever for greed. It is just another tool that can facilitate anything you want to accomplish in life. This is what it means to use a tool. You want virtuous actions at scale? Capitalism can do that. You want to feed the poverty stricken? Capitalism can do that. Tools should not be blamed because of the user.

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Capitalism naturally leads to tragedy of the commons, which is why Earth cannot sustain a capitalist system. Also, how have non profits destroyed the healthcare system?

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Non profit status only needs to have higher expenses than revenue. Massive companies like Seton Ascension will use their non-profit status to acquire smaller facilities, pay their board hundreds of millions, and expand their medical facilities all injured to maintain non-profit. The non-profit allows them luxuries that for profit companies do not receive like tax brakes and less inquiries on unfair practices. Which is why their employee’s make well below the average pay rate for their profession. They took our twins the moment they were born, put them in the NICU for a month, only because they were born early. They performed no tests, only had them in a infant bed. Nothing special and charged us $750,000 for babysitting. It’s corrupt because they don’t have to answer to anyone. Lawyers won’t touch the non-profit case because of the red tape. For profit corporations are easier to sue or control because they aren’t protected.

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The other thing I forgot to mention is that non profit organizations exist in capitalism and in socialism. Non profits are not inherently socialist just like for profits aren't inherently capitalist. The difference between socialism and capitalism is mostly related to who owns the means of production. I think you might be equating socialism with a wealthfare state. Welfare states do exist in capitalist systems. Not to complicate things even further but non profits also aren't really defined as part of the welfare state. Since you brought up non profit hospitals I will use that as an example here. 57% of hospitals in the USA are structured as non profits, and yet the USA has a relatively weak welfare state compared to most developed countries and many people would consider the USA one of the "most capitalist" countries in the world.

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Finally, I'm not sure how exactly how discussing non profit hospitals is directly applicable to a discussion about environmental destruction.

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2) Most states have abolished or significantly limited "charitable immunity" at this point. That said, in cases where states still do have still have such things there is added complexity and/or limited recoverability. Outright immunity is pretty rare though. 3) Lawyers do pursue cases against non profit medical centers, particularly those that specialize in this area. These cases can be more challenging but there are even class actions against non profit hospitables for overcharging etc.

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It sounds to me like you are opposed to non-profits, at least in part because of your personal experience related to the birth of your children. (also worth noting that you could be seen as coming off playing the victim as it relates to the aforementioned experience). Are you aware of your personal bias against non-profits because of this experience? Just to get someone's perspective that has been in the medical field for over 4 decades I mentioned your comments here to my Mother. She explained that your commentary about non-profits not having to answer to anyone and involving red tape that adds protection to be an oversimplification and mostly untrue. 1) Non-profit medical centers are accountable to state/federal agencies, state attorneys general, and healthcare regulators. They must comply with laws regarding charity care, billing, and community benefit reporting. continuing...

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There are many more requirements than simply having higher revenue than expenses. The organization cannot server private interests. They also are unable to be involved in political campaigns and cannot have lobbying comprise a substantial part of their activities. Additionally, the organization needs to have regular board meetings and keep sufficient records. There are also some specific legal formations they have to adhere to. Those employed by non-profits make less money than they otherwise would not because the organization gets tax breaks or can avoid inquiries regarding unfair practices. Tax breaks and avoiding inquiries on unfair practices are both things that save an organization money and this often frees up funds to be spent on things like employees etc. Non-profits often have tight budgets and limited financial resources which contribute to having less funds for employee compensation. Non-profits are also often part of sectors that pay less, like social services and education, and so on...

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