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̶w̶a̶l̶k̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶a̶l̶k̶ hike and mic
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@dwr.eth
Here's a reading list (I've read the first 3 books on the list; the rest is what o3 recommends). https://telegra.ph/Byzantine-Empire-links-07-03
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@maurice
But this time is different ;-) One thesis could be, that with more instant communication and technologies like ai and crypto (decentralization overall) timelines could speed up.
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Critique: if we agree to draw a parallel then we should consider that America is the Byzantine Empire and the British is the Roman Empire That is, there was essentially a schism between having a king and self governing, but other than that all institutions fundamentally were the same. In 1,000 years will people be able to see such a drastic difference between 18th century America and England? Religion: same Moral beliefs: same Capital system: same Legal framework: same Language: same Governance system: change (tho England did have a House of Commons by 1775) Why bother pointing this out? When ppl say that we’re a late stage empire they usually are referring to Americas global dominance waning , they aren’t expecting a full collapse of America that leads us into a dark ages. Evidence of this: Americans will often also draw parallels to the Spanish or Dutch Empires which were less a Roman style collapse and more a quick global power and wealth changeover Conclusion: I think you’re focusing on the wrong outcome of the statement “America is like the late Roman Empire”, change the statement to “America is like the late Spanish Empire” and you’ll get a more exact understanding of what people are describing.
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@baseddesigner.eth
current situation can be unique in the way how quickly it falls apart too crypto takes power away from government, internet endorsing freedom from government, ai progressing very fast all of that and much more variables all accelerating the process I think it's not also about american empire but about nationality in general is getting weaker around the world
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why not compare it to the british empire, the last hegemony, and the rate at which it deteriorated since ww2? i find the general argument reasonable but rome existed at a time when things happened orders of magnitude slower than they do today
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@rubinovitz
Would love more history hot take videos on here!
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@manan
I’d hoped this was age of empires content when I clicked on it lol
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@catch0x22.eth
need someone to AI this so it looks like you're walking through ancient Rome
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@m-j-r.eth
fair enough, especially in the frame of any respective emperor existing. but, imho, institutional strength like shared language upstream of justice, the vibe of an unbeaten capitol, a growing/stable trade network... I would call the Byzantine empire late-stage by 8-9th century (though I would agree they remained intact for much longer). then again, suzerainty like the Zhou dynasty is another form of overlord dominion, so in such a frame I would call anything like the Warring period as evidence of a late-stage empire. ultimately, empires are remembered for their Golden Ages, and maybe there's more than one of those. I think we've reached the point with globalism that it's impossible to practically recede from our Golden Age. maybe NK & China can temporarily resist for a few generations, but eventually the liberalist economic/informatic mandate will be indominatable. in that respect, any state that's increasingly overspending on resistance is late-stage for whatever mandate they possess.
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@tldr
Like the look at institutions I also wonder the extent to which America is an “empire”. Obviously we are highly influential and exercise huge, huge soft power… but wonder the extent to which we should be compared to imperial powers vs independent states
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@mjc716
it's not laziness, it's political wishcasting
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@ciberdelia
Nice point of view
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First of all, “hike and mic” goes hard. And secondively, as a journalism- polisci-history grad, I’m here for the historycaster content. Question: Do you think that empires can necessarily last as long today without the strength of major unifying cultural pillars like organized religion? Is cultural hegemony like what the US enjoys today enough to ensure the empire will persists even if somehow “Washington fell”?
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I think the consensus on when “the fall of the Roman Empire” happened is starting to fully shift to 1453 rather than 476. I remember learning 476 in AP European History but in college I learned it was 1453 and from that point on it’s all I’ve ever heard real historians use as the date if they must pick one.
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@evangreenberg
And how can anyone really be complaining when we still have toe spacers
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@frametheglobe
You just defined the multi polar world back then which is taking shape again in today’s world.
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@goldytalks
hike & mic!!!
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@shiiiiison.eth
Bro is huffing walking.. whats your current elevation?
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@wiz
nice this is the type of content farcaster needs
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