fredwilson on Farcaster

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@fredwilson.eth

Hi Farcasters. I wrote, and signed, a post about needing to sign everything as AI tools proliferate. https://avc.mirror.xyz/JpTblGUpDMA7SMS6HYdoYgbQE9H_a_wYq330pit_aRU (cc @talia @nonlinear.eth @ccarella.eth )

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Jonny Mack pfp

that last paragraph (especially the last sentence) is 🤌 "the human place to do things" 💜

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Arjun Ram pfp

Been thinking about this post of yours. 1. Do you believe it’s time to bake in identity into the browser along with payments? 2. Otherwise than identify where else can you see Web3 & AI as two sides of the same coin. Aka can you please elaborate. Thank you!

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thebestwallet pfp

agreed here. This is exactly what i tweeted earlier: it will not be possible to know the difference between a post by a human or by an AI. however transaction signing can *also* be pre authorized and signed by bots. The only way to guarantee this is a human doing that is with biometrics signing

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I think that USV founder has an inaccurate vision for the 5 paragraph essay being dead, which bears on this signing point. There is increasing adoption of this notion of a Flipped Classroom (https://bokcenter.harvard.edu/flipped-classrooms), which has the learners familiarize themselves with the material outside of...

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Gaby Goldberg pfp

I co-wrote a related post arguing that every on-chain action (like a signature) is a message -- and that redefinition will change the way we think about web3's communication layer -- would love to hear your thoughts: https://tcg.mirror.xyz/CCtokn_XR9yqGhL3OIKM4u8IxaVO0V0fmRxH-G5yWs8

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Curious how this practice will interface with the wider topic of accountability. Seems like the small cousin of saying something under oath. Also saw a different facet of this on Twitter yday https://twitter.com/semil/status/1599617292479840257?s=46&t=wKKpGWKlDIDQwFzRNN9IKg

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There’s a problem to be solved here but signing everything is basically like swearing to tell the truth in court. A ceremonial norm. Only meaningful if perjury is detectable and criminalized, and even then not a solution so much as an incentives-based accommodation.

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cyrus pfp

i remember thinking the same thing (for some reason) the first time i saw google's AI demo ordering a pizza. just looked up the video and interesting to see how Google displays information about provenance: no source attribution/verification & timestamp "4 years ago" smh https://i.imgur.com/wlZppFA.png

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Cryptographic identity is needed to sign, but most users and developers don't care So challenge #1 is how to integrate crypto identity into mainstream apps by default farcaster://casts/0xf7d55f1ba7daa2b4a999f371f04af7c8a5925483763dd644315f07676237d748/0xf7d55f1ba7daa2b4a999f371f04af7c8a5925483763dd644315f07676237d748

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Andy Jagoe pfp

yes, which makes me think: AI -> single player (use cases easy to imagine) web3 -> multiplayer (uses cases hard to imagine) iirc, we saw this also in early web2 days: search -> single player (use cases easy to imagine) social -> multiplayer (uses cases hard to imagine)

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Dave Pazdan pfp

with deepfakes becoming more common especially with AI, having signed original versions will be super important. Would love to see us get to a place where we don't have to trust others, we can verify on the blockchain if something is original or altered footage, music, art, writing, etc.

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Yash Karthik pfp

i agree. differentiating between human and AI content will become important as these models improve. but im unsure how verifying via signatures would work. you could technically paste a gpt-3 prompted essay into mirror and have it signed. this is a pretty cool area though

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Victor Ma 🧾 pfp

thanks for sharing, curious how folks are supposed to know the 2nd part of this, do you have a list somewhere of your owned/controlled wallets? "You can see that “author address” and click on it to see that it is one of the various web3 addresses I own/control."

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@williamallen.eth

I setup an entity with the Linux foundation to help address this a few years ago - c2pa.org - it’s got decent traction within big companies and bi-partisan support in the US gov’t, but needs stronger crypto adoption.

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popp pfp

ai begs new questions about what makes us human and agree that a shared understanding of our marks and their meaning is foundational. have you read andy's signature economies piece? i think you'd enjoy it https://sign.kernel.community/

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Miko Matsumura pfp

this is a good ideal

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Arthur pfp

Didn’t thought of web3 as the other side of the coin.

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miketrap pfp

Totally buy this. Connecting the dots between generative AI (the rage de minuit) and Web3 (so 15 minutes ago for VC…) Point is valid… Generative AI will increase the value of trust in the world, which will increasingly be provided by Web3 technologies.

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Agost Biro pfp

Sign everything = keys for everything

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