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public ledgers, open source, DAOs, CC0 are all far left coded ideals. curious how the more right leaning crypto space squares these bedrock concepts.

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Generate revenue.

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strange bedfellows innit

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DAOs or user-owned networks are like cooperatives. Cooperatives can earn revenue. The distinction of capitalism’s versus socialism’s “revenue” is the profit incentive and who gets the profit. Especially because they also have the power over how the company is run (and in oligarchies, how the country is run) Don’t let anyone tell you that money, markets, or income has to be absent from leftist ideology; it’s a big tent. Leftist conception of these things, which as you mention is very much coded in line with the web3 we’re building, is about equitable distribution of surplus revenue and democratic control of the organizations. I don’t think people on the right understand the bogeyman they think they’re fighting. Red scare propaganda and garbage propaganda like “The Little Black Book of Communism” built a wall of bias that even Gorbachev couldn’t tear down.

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> Red scare propaganda and garbage propaganda like “The Little Black Book of Communism” built a wall of bias that even Gorbachev couldn’t tear down. It's not little. 100 million dead. Ask anyone who has actually lived in a communist country how great it is. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

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Dan, seriously. Two of the books authors revoked their authorship and the numbers don’t add up. They’ve even admitted they made it up. Here’s a solid debunking with citations, but there are quite a few if you try at all to check your bias. It’s CIA dribble baby. Sorry to ruin your favourite book for you. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7n6ql2/is_the_black_book_of_communism_an_accurate_source/

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OK, 50 million dead. Are you disputing that communism killed more people in the 20th century than any other ideology?

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OK, I can't argue with someone who is living in this reality. For those that make it this far, DYOR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Fields

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Alright, even though this all began from me suggesting that DAOs were like cooperatives, you just couldn’t handle that, so now even though I have not and will not defend Stalin, I have to point out the flaws here again. And again, remember that all of this industrialization and inability to purchase food stocks is brought on by western sanctions and economic warfare. Source 1: claims 12 million at the upper limit but provides no source. It says, with sources that it’s “estimated” 5.7-8.7 million died. 2: gives numerous conflicting numbers with one or fewer sources each, and lands on 10 million (including deportations!) for the entire Soviet Union. 3: the estimate given ranges all the way from 15-55 million, which tells you a lot about how unclear the numbers are. There are even “outliers” listed at as low as 2.6M! Nonetheless this was an atrocity, but not one “caused by communism.” It was caused by backwards authoritarian rule and the abandonment of experts, something capitalist love.

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4: “sources, ranging from hundreds of thousands to millions, or even tens of millions” Again how useful. 5: the Kmer Rouge are a particularly complicated group. Having focused so explicitly on agrarianism and similarly to Mao killed off all their experts, it’s unsurprising so many people died but the estimated in the article are a 1.7-2.2 million and are noted as disputed. Notably the US war machine, according to Britannica caused: >The deaths of as many as 2 million Vietnamese civilians, 1.1 million North Vietnamese soldiers, 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers, and 58,000 U.S. servicemen https://www.britannica.com/facts/Vietnam-War Regarding the Lil Black Book, one of the main complaints about it is that they took the upper bound estimates (or even made up/extrapolated numbers) counter the in an overlapping fashion, and rushed out the data and it remains one of the most cited sources for why communism bad. Again I wasn’t arguing “communism is awesome” just that you believe propaganda.

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3. “Real communism has never need tried”

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