Evan
@evangreenberg
I don’t know how many Marxist/Dem Socialists we have on FC, but there’s a convo I want to have (rather in person but): It’s presented by Bernie/Zoran/etc that there needs to be zero billionaires because their wealth should be redistributed. I heard someone else say “what if everyone was a billionaire?” I don’t think either are going to happen exactly (no billionaires vs all billionaires), but the decision sets if you make one or the other as the GOAL is fascinating, and I’d love to have that convo with people of many different viewpoints!
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Purp🇵🇸
@purp
Marxist here Its not about billionaires its about billionaires hoarding wealth at the sake of their workers Jeff Bezos just spent 20-50 million dollars on his wedding, while 26% of his employees have received food stamps while working at Amazon I could care less if someone is rich, its about are the material needs of the worker being met ( which is something zohran addressed immediately after with the MLK quote)
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Purp🇵🇸
@purp
44% of households with out children and 55% of households with children, according to most stats i found, receiving snap also have atleat one person working full time. In seven states that participated in survey, Walmart was the number one employeer of people on food stamps, while also receiving billions of dollars in food stamp savings These are massive numbers esspically considering how many corporations are making record profits, and how much the wealth gap is rising between the ceos and the workers
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James 空灵地平线 🌟
@jhinnbay.eth
Counter — Bezos shouldn’t be required to spend less on his wedding or use his money for other people. Is it scummy? Only if you feel his wealth should be rightfully owned distributed to people who have simply worked for amazon. On the topic of Walmart, I fully agree there shouldn’t be such an extreme wealth gap between owners and employees. But would equalizing either of these solve it? No. If we re-distributed bezos wealth or walmarts wealth to employees and closed the gap… it would just invent a noble working class, where lucky people now how expensive jobs. At what level do you decide to equalize this? I like bernie… a little, but his bias lies in fighting and speaking for a class he’s not a part of. No amount of retributions, reparations, or rebalancing of money will help; emotional intelligence, security, food supply prices, etc. We need science to push forward with vegan food production so basic need can first become sated. Then exchange of value tools can be recalibrated.
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Purp🇵🇸
@purp
You're missing the point, amazon and bezos are making Max profits off the backs of his workers, i could care less about how he spends his money, but when you're profiting billions of dollars and 26% of your employees are on food stamps and 33% are on federal assistance its a massive problem. Why should the government be sponsoring poverty wages its not fiscally responsible
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Evan
@evangreenberg
I’m not talking about what’s happening, I’m talking about what’s possible, depending on the goal we choose for our future efforts
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Purp🇵🇸
@purp
O meant that to above comment not you, I think its a good question you ask, In a perfect world without inflation or economic restraints yes that would be a great goal, but in terms of economic restraints its not feasible. Im a big fan of Deng Xiaoping to get rich is glorious thought. We need rich people to an extent, its good for the economy, what we dont need is wealth hoarding and the working class needs a much bigger portion of that pie, since majority of value is driven off their labor
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Evan
@evangreenberg
“The working class needs a much bigger portion of that pie” What if the pie is so big, that everyone has what they need and more? You need a perfect world for Marxism to work too, right? Hasn’t really been too successful because it hasn’t been perfect. Or do you disagree with that?
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