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curious what people think.

in the context of testimony preceding the Iraq War, concerning the imminent and disproven threat of WMDs, and the following conspiracy of the Plame affair...

was American consent for war manufactured?

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from what I can see, this a gift-wrapped reset to the cycle of violence.

neither Iraq nor Iran have the means to directly threaten the United States. it would be a bitter, likely losing, cost to establish any beachhead or sustained invasion onto U.S. homeland. the same goes for any direct strike, as our response would be of biblical proportions.

I'm a bit bemused by the retrograde amnesia in this current decision. we suffered Iraqi insurgency, and it got really bad with the beheadings. we suffered the consequence of the Arab Spring in places like Libya and Syria. I count that as runaway escalation.

right now there's a War Powers resolution: https://massie.house.gov/uploadedfiles/iranwpr.pdf

unfortunately, majority of Americans poll yes for the Iranian War.

do you see any way to deescalate this? I think we'll have no choice but to tally up the bill and practice extreme stoicism.

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No way to know until we see what Iran & its allies do (although I don’t think Russia will get involved). Next 48 hrs seem critical wait & see. 

I never thought I’d be agreeing with Massie so much — first on the BBB now on this. I don’t see much support from anyone of either party to any kind of long term involvement or even any additional escalation—I do actually think people remember and want nothing to do with more foreign wars.

absolutely—all ego & money — Iran has always been a way bigger threat than Iraq was btw — now we hold our collective breath and hope that this doesn’t escalate

isn't it always 

on the other end i wonder how a nation becomes like Iran. why do so many Iranians seem fine with this, but everyone else is shocked. that is more pertinent imo. also why can the US supposedly trust Israel to have hidden nukes, but Iran can't have facilities with potential for production 

seems like there's more going on and its scary that it seems to be religiously motivated as well as resources

I think it effectively was—though I’d say it was more that our dissent was suppressed in a manufactured way

Propaganda gives people already inclined to believe a thing an excuse to do so—and at the time in America it wasn’t hard to get people to root for military action

Dissenters being painted as un-American enabled those who already agreed with war reflexively to roll right over them in terms of enabling the powers of the day to pursue their ends with the cover of such apparent consent