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This one made me think, I won’t lie
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These people just hate Elon and Trump out of envy -
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I think having a society of 1000 ultra rich and infinity poor and desperate isn’t great either but also realize that simply taking billionaire wealth from them isn’t exactly a solution
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this is the exact problem with socialism/communism: it promises to redistribute wealth, but this disincentive individuals from excelling in any area and eventually become dependant of the State - and because "Free" doesn't actually exist, at the end socialist measures end up into the money printing a.k.a. capitalist hell. both are the same shit - one feeds each other.1 1 Ref. A Che Guevara T-Shirt on sale; a capitalist inequality feeding the socialist narrative
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I tend to think of some of the wealth hoard type stuff as monopoly problems. I favor better antitrust and encouraging actual noblesse oblige / culture of stewardship
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"noblesse oblige" opposes civil liberties, as no one should ever dictate what you or (anyone for that matter) must do. This is socialism's core: it abolishes individual freedom for a supposed "greater good." The issue arises when this "greater good" is built on the absolute will of a nobility, becoming just another bourgeoisie (or some sort of "shared tyranny" in my personal experience with these models) as it may be seen in 100% of historical examples. Enforcing existing laws AND good laws should be enough, however "changing the law" is also a double-edged sword... Idk Keccers... all our answers will always get filled with more questions.
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Noblesse oblige isn’t a law. It’s the INFERRED cultural responsibility of the wealthy to act with generosity towards the less fortunate We feel like we need laws telling billionaires what to do with their money because no one has this sense of responsibility No one cares for one another. It’s “fuck you I’ve got mine” all the way down
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I am sorry but I strongly disagree with this - I understand we all come from different backgrounds as our cultural environment differs, but let's get something straight: 1) the US is the superpower of the world, 2) we all agree that the majority of the world lives in poverty, otherwise this conversation wouldn't even exist, we're talking about responsibility towards less fortunate so, yeah 3) it is fair to assume that if the number of "less fortunate" people in the US is high statistically speaking it is also fair to assume that it is way higher in other countries/societies that do not represent a massive superpower, ergo it would be fair to assume that the point of view of people from, let's say LatAm, Central Africa, East Europe, India and SE Asia would probably would live in conditions that vastly differ from those commonly accepted within the US as a consensus of what is what and how things are, however I can for sure tell you that, at least in my native country (which I had to leave because of a radical leftism takeover) it is precisely the "less fortunate" demographics that make up the vast majority of violence users, women abusers, drug dealers, illegal weapon users (we ain't got no 2nd amendment, so the government also kill us easily and every day, broad light), squatters, thieves, and a long nasty and ugly etcetera. I understand that it maybe different where you are from, but in my culture of poverty equality, we have come to understand that, except from the cases of physical or mental disadvantages, being it from birth or circumstances, everybody has to work their ass off if they want to eat. It is as simple as that. You may think of course of an "INFERRED cultural responsibility" but this is futile, as it is first and foremost inferred by your own values and desire of achieving a better and more fair society, however it doesn't cease to be just a personal life stance (which I applaud) and must not be understood like a universally applying law of life, because it is not. Instead, it is inherited from your culture, the society you were born in, your own personal values, and a very inner sense of... idk how to say this but it'd be something like "do-good" will.
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A lack of caring would honestly be preferable to the wanton destruction of lives in the pursuit of wealth and the use of extreme resources to influence policy to extract more wealth regardless of the cost to everyone else.
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