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@farcasteradmin.eth
tell me you don't know how to run an infra without telling me that you don't know how to run an infra these people also pay vercel to run a website that could as well be spa served by cloudflare cdn for free forever (and hosted by github pages) if your devs/cto overpays for cloud infra, you better change your devs/cto
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this is an order of operations thing if you're building a new product from scratch, the fastest way to ship is to pay for tools like vercel, neon, etc. why spend time optimizing prematurely for costs before you even have an app or users? costs are something you can manage later once your app has scaled, otherwise you're just wasting your time on tech problems, not customer problems
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building a product with cheaper infra is EASIER than building a more complex infra project
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@pfista
maybe true for you, but for most teams I don’t think this is the case much easier to use vercel, neon, clerk to get a product off the ground than roll all that yourself which is why these companies are so successful the abstraction layer will keep moving up the stack. It won’t even be infra anymore, now it’s things like lovable and v0 to build a simple app
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most teams are bad developers who have severe case of vercel's ssriosis or aws scaliosis, when big corpos push unnecessary bells an whistles at them and they eat it up what you named are *not* abstraction levels, the products you named *increase* complexity when launching just use easypanel.io, it's a one-line install on *any* vps no surprise bills, no "scaling infra" bs, no authentication layer bs, as close to the metal as possible, support for almost all popular building tools (e.g. nixpacs, docker, etc) then it's: 1. create a github repo for a project 2. add this github repo to easypanel 3. you're done it will autodeploy, build everything, run everything, even manage ssl and domains for you way simpler than any "abstraction" that you're mentioning here—and magnitudes cheaper
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