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alixkun🟣🎩🍡
@alixkun
Can someone explain to me why requiring an ID for voting in the US is such a controversial topic? Coming from France, it's inconceivable that someone could vote without justifying officially who they are first. I think most countries with ID systems work like that for voting, no? 🤷♂️
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youssef
@yssf.eth
I'm not an expert in US voting laws but I asked myself the same question and I think it's more complex that what we think coming from France (where you obviously show ID when you vote). I think we might tend to forget that the US is super big, France is the equivalent of one (albeit big) state. For instance, the US does not have a standardized ID card across all states; each state handles ID how they want, so you can't really do something about it on the federal level. But then even on the state level you have different ways to identify but they are (and that's just my understanding) more difficult to obtain for lower income people; and it creates this sort of controversy because I think many Americans see the US as having a pretty bad history with voter rights; and adding to these laws is seen as doing more harm (preventing ppl from voting) than good (preventing voter fraud). Again not an expert here, just my perspective after somewhat researching the subject.
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Jared
@javabu.eth
https://www.lwv.org/blog/whats-so-bad-about-voter-id-laws
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nomygod
@nomygod.eth
you have to claim to be that person, which is committing VOTER fraud, a specific severe fraud for...what. what's the payout your vote counts twice maybe ? it's not worth it...so since it's not happening at any scale, requiring ID only serves to remove people's ability to vote, seems pointless and undemocratic.
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Midnight Marauder
@midnightmarauder.eth
It’s an unnecessary barrier every time I’ve voted I’ve had to go to my specific poll place, state my name address and write my signature, if my signature doesn’t match the one the poll worker has I don’t get a ballot.
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Sean Wince 🎩
@seanwince
One in ten eligible voters do not have a photo ID that would be necessary to vote under these schemes. In many areas of the US it's not easy to get a photo ID due to cost, not having their birth certificate, or other reasons. 420 $degen https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/voter-id
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thoughtcrimeboss
@thoughtcrimeboss
IDK how it works in France, but here if you're poor and you lose your documents (or get them stolen) you can easily end up in a never ending Kafkaesque loop where you need a social security card and a birth certificate to get your ID but it's hard to get a replacement SS card without an ID or a birth certificate and the requirements and cost for getting a replacement birth certificate vary considerably depending on what county you were born in. This is a way more common problem than you would think. But the voting vachines are closed source anyways so even with ID laws we would still have no way to verify that the government is running a fair election.
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patxol
@patxol.eth
Actually, you can vote without an ID in France, in any town with less than 1000 inhabitants. You can also vote with your Carte Vitale or your hunting license, or an expired ID.
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Taye 🎩
@casedup
Only one side hates it because they can’t cheat.
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Augustus Caesar
@augustuscaesar
I just have to believe ineligible people vote every year
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