Ethereum

it’s 2025

fuck users that run nodes locally for personal use 

and royally fuck those amongst us that are holding the whole fucking ecosystem back in order to cater to the autistic fucktards that run nodes locally

Presses the button - there's a Vitalik blog for that. Please spend 2 mins and read that first section of that post

The core value of a blockchain is that users collectively enforce the rules. They are the final line of defense against collusion and capture

Without that you’re not decentralized. You’re just a worse version of a server

Presses the button - there's a Vitalik blog for that. Please spend 2 mins and read that first section of that post

The core value of a blockchain is that users collectively enforce the rules. They are the final line of defense against collusion and capture

Without that you’re not decentralized. You’re just a worse version of a server

https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2021/05/23/scaling.html

/ethereum foundation | opinions are my own but more than likely they come from Vitalik's blog paragraph.xyz/@chaskin

WWIII resistant chain is useless if people can't use it pre-WWIII

come down from your ivory tower and realize where you've taken us with your extreme ideals

Twerking on Farpcaster and Warcast.

(parody)

It’s not about being WWIII resistant. It’s about being resistant to **literally any collusion** that’s the whole point of a blockchain

“The elites of your blockchain community, including pools, block explorers and hosted nodes, are probably quite well-coordinated… If they really want to organize a sudden change to the protocol rules to further their own interests, then they probably can”

If users can’t enforce the rules might as well just use AWS, instant blocktimes and cheap fees

drop the whole 'just use AWS' strawman and the fallacious appeal to extreme bullshit

if you are refusing to admit there's a whole fucking field of useful stuff between your **any collusion** ideals and AWS then you are either being bad faith or in the better case, are actually detached from what the devs and the users want

The point isn’t that there’s no middle ground. It’s that once you give up on user verification, you remove the last check on centralized power

by insisting y'all's, ivory tower, non-user-centric ideals you've made the thing useless

the average use can't use L1
they're forced to go on base where it is quite literally one single entity

by insisting on your purity standards, you've forced everyone to live in a version of the shitter that you've always been worried about

The beauty of L2s is if the worst-case scenario happens on base and they try to censor or steal funds, users can safely exit or force a tx via Ethereum L1

If that same thing happens on an L1 where users aren’t running nodes, you're screwed

There’s no exit. No fallback. Game over

that’s only true for ETH and assets bridges to l2 through the canonical bridge 

that’s not the reality for a great lot of assets 
if the thing is to grow there will be lots of tokens
these will be native on the l2s 

it’s inconsiderate to throw that argument around without explaining its limitations to the users you’ve forced onto l2

You're right, it's not universal. Only ETH and properly bridged assets get that fallback to L1

But that doesn't make it meaningless. For those assets, the ability to force a transaction or exit back to L1 is a powerful security guarantee

And it’s part of the reason for scaling L1, so more assets can originate there and inherit those same protections. Vitalik even ran the numbers in a recent post on supporting app issuance and bridging

i am not trying to be offending you and @vitalik.eth for the sake of it 

but sounds like cognitive dissonance to be hyper focused on this promise land of censorship resistance on L1 but as a result be pushing users to L2s that are literally 100% centralized. 
then grasp onto this “force an L1 tx” narrative when it only applies to L1 bridged assets while the entire goal and strategy of the L2 is to have assets issued on the L2 and even have validium L3 stood on it. 

it’s naively idealistic. overly zealous. full of cognitive dissonance and fallacious arguments.

You're right, it's not universal. Only ETH and properly bridged assets get that fallback to L1

But that doesn't make it meaningless. For those assets, the ability to force a transaction or exit back to L1 is a powerful security guarantee

And it’s part of the reason for scaling L1, so more assets can originate there and inherit those same protections. Vitalik even ran the numbers in a recent post on supporting app issuance and bridging
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2025/02/14/l1scaling.html