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LilPing
@pingfeng
Looking at Nouns hitting those Level 2 aspects early and evolving for 3+ years... it makes me wonder, does achieving those three dimensions really mean it's healthy? You see detailed plans in different proposals, but they often pull in totally different directions. People contribute based on their own read of Nouns, and frankly, some proposals that look great are actually just rugs. Then there's the voting power side, is concentration always bad? Does a DAO have to completely reject the founder model? And when there's a crisis, could a 'governance white-hat hacker' role appear? How should we even think about that? Nouns' discussion spaces keep shifting – Discourse, Discord, Farcaster... Why the constant move? Do we actually need one fixed place?
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rubinovitz
@rubinovitz
I think you may be part of NounsBreakEven and therefore dislike the Nounders voting block, but I think the Nounders wallet is a good compromise between centralization and founder mode. Re centralization for DAOs in general: DAOs are differentiated right now by decentralization (until AI DAOs bring us true autonomy). If you're not going to be decentralized, why not be a company?
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LilPing
@pingfeng
Hey, thanks for your comment. I'm mostly approaching this as a governance apprentice, genuinely trying to figure out what effective onchain governance could and should look like. I don't really have a strong feeling either way about the Nounder voting block itself. Your point about centralization supporting the Nounders' centralization being a potential contradiction caught my eye. It sounds like you see a valid reason for this. Could you maybe elaborate a bit on why that kind of contradiction might make sense? Also, I'm curious to hear more about why you view the Nounders wallet as a good compromise between centralization and founder mode.
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rubinovitz
@rubinovitz
Sorry for the delay, was sick and traveling. I am pro founder in a Silicon Valley way. I believe founders have moral authority, more so than shareholders that buy their way in, and that founder led projects have better outcomes. So I am happy with nounders having outsized influence as long as the community can also counter it if needed (and that seemed to happen). Also, if influence in a DAO is constantly rotating it makes it harder to attract talent because they don’t know who they will be doing business with in a few months. https://x.com/harrystebbings/status/1819452381207179511?s=46
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