Tayyab - d/acc
@tayyab
Well I guess I know who thinks I’m genocidal because apparently all Muslims believe the same thing.
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Zach
@zd
never said that?
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Tayyab - d/acc
@tayyab
Genocide has nothing to do with the size of land or population of a people. It is about the violent intent and actions of any people towards another group of people. Iran and its sponsored groups are genocidal towards Jews and Israel (even my people will hate me for saying that, but it is objectively true), and the rhetoric from the top brass in Israel has also been genocidal. Many of our worlds top institutions have also stated that Israel is doing in Gaza is a genocide.
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Tayyab - d/acc
@tayyab
So stating that there are 50 ethno states and 1.9B Muslims who are calling for the genocide of Jews is equal to stating that all Muslims are calling for the genocide of Jews.
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Zach
@zd
please re-read what i said: “arab nations have repeatedly called for the eradication of israel, while israel has repeatedly supported its right to defend itself” i presented - the size difference - the double standard around ethno-states - the difference in ideology i never said “all muslims believe X”
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Tayyab - d/acc
@tayyab
What is the size difference supposed to imply, if not that there is a larger religious denomination trying to eradicate a smaller one? I hope for both of us that that is not what you meant. But there are only a few ways to interpret this.
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osama
@osama
+1 to everything you said and that none of those arab states were built in the name of or around religious ideology unlike Pakistan and Israel. the only two countries organized around religion. but this nuance is useless is silicon valley/US. there's a singular narrative and weirdly coordinated (even paid! afaik) efforts on all sides of these debates in US atm
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Zach
@zd
this is factually incorrect, and you’re erasing the explicitly islamic foundations of multiple modern states saudi arabia, iran, brunei, and others were built around religious ideology as much (or more) than pakistan or israel saudi arabia was founded w wahhabism islam as the core ideology and national legitimacy is explicitly religious - the saudi royal family gets its right to rule from enforcing sharia law and protecting islam’s holiest sites, AND they have no constitution / are governed by the quran iran was founded after the secular shah was overthrown to establish a shiite theocracy under khomeini; the supreme leader is a religious figure and islam is a core organizing principle brunei, maldives, etc have islam as the state religion too, and many require the head of state to be muslim; some even prohibit non-muslims from citizenship to say israel is an anomaly in this regard is just flat out wrong
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