Evan
@evangreenberg
I don’t know how many Marxist/Dem Socialists we have on FC, but there’s a convo I want to have (rather in person but): It’s presented by Bernie/Zoran/etc that there needs to be zero billionaires because their wealth should be redistributed. I heard someone else say “what if everyone was a billionaire?” I don’t think either are going to happen exactly (no billionaires vs all billionaires), but the decision sets if you make one or the other as the GOAL is fascinating, and I’d love to have that convo with people of many different viewpoints!
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isabel.eth
@iz
Long story short, i think its really achievable to have a “floor” for the human condition that is much higher vs what we have today… but that doesn’t get you to a place where unlimited consumer spending on luxuries is available to ~everyone in society, and some people will always want more than others (+ be willing to act accordingly). At the limits even if cost of production goes to near 0 and we are 3D printing yachts and servant robots out of thin air, there are certain things (raw materials, physical space) that are impossible to produce more of, where maximizing one person’s enjoyment is only really achievable by limiting the access of the broad majority. Fwiw i think there is a very sane argument to be made by the left that doesn’t collapse into marxism, which is to say that there are 0 problems with people being rich, even really rich. Just maybe not so rich that they have claims over resources and labor that rival those of relatively powerful nation states.
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Evan
@evangreenberg
Can I challenge that physical space has a limit? What if colonizing Mars or other planets is actually possible because of how low costs are? Does everyone have to live on Earth?
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