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In response to Chris's question, here are some thoughts on creating slowcore-friendly spaces for long-form online discussions.
Call me a boomer, but for my purposes I still haven't found anything that measures up to the design of old-school phpBB forums.
For ongoing, slow-paced, text-centric, long-form convos, and community-building centered around shared interests, I think they're excellent.
I don't have the tech chops to handle setup + maintenance alone, but I've been a co-founder of a well-loved and active phpBB forum before, with me handling the community migration/moderation duties and my colleague handling the back end.
Unfortunately that forum came to an unceremonious end for reasons beyond my control. But if some cypherpunks I trust were to say:
"We'll build you any kind of space you'd like for Studio Slowcore to migrate your group chat to a new home. We'll handle hosting and tech support, and we'll work closely with you for business continuity planning and minimizing the risks of single points of failure."
Assuming we had sufficient revenues to sustain it, then I'd say "Great. Let's go with a phpBB forum."
See the first link for an example I found on the phpBB showcase page.
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/
That being said, @adam- recently shared a GitHub page with some screenshots from Campfire (see the second link), and the design looks promising enough that @trigs.eth and I seriously considered it for our studio.
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I was a moderator, we had a token and multisig, and, in my own way, I did some backend dev work for the sub as well — that’s not my really my skill but I love to tinker.
We also looked at moving to a more decentralized platform when Reddit changed its api policy but the inertia was too much.
Reading through the comments under your post “The Farcaster Scenius Lexicon”. In the sub, we experimented with how the tokens were distributed to try and encourage CLP type behavior, but never landed on anything that broke through short term monetization.
When you say slow core client, do you ultimately mean, within a FC type ecosystem or outside of it?
Two things that have made a place in my head that I think could help social media apps retain more critical thinking and contextual value:
- Being able to highlight and extract specific sequence of reply/threads from conversations. Pull those out, rework them, repost them, but keep a link back to the original.
- Providing a more contextual rather than social graph. Rather than a stream of 1 directional casts, where’s the feed that aggregates responses to the same link across posts and connects people and writing based on ideas. 1 reply
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In my mind, ideally a slowcore-friendly space for these convos would be built on something like the FC protocol, Campfire, or Quilibrium, with the community owning its own data and having lots of options to customize according to its needs. I imagine that's what @chriscocreated is pondering, but he can clarify if I've missed anything.
However, considering our list of needs and constraints, unfortunately none of those options will be viable for Studio Slowcore in the near future. After talking at length with @adam- about Campfire and Quorum Messenger, @trigs.eth and I settled on Substack because it was the best match for us that's currently available for both publishing AND moving our group chat, all things considered.
It's unlikely that Substack will be our forever solution. (Neither will Farcaster DCs, for that matter).
Even Obsidian, much as I love it, isn't going to work for publishing a blog in the ways I need. At least not in the near future. We had to go back to the drawing board after I realized that. That's why it's taking us much longer than I hoped to get these writings published. (Seems everything takes longer than you expect, even if you already know that and think you've accounted for it sufficiently in your business plan).
As for your two things to help retain contextual value (which I much appreciate):
For the first, I think it could be accomplished with Quotebacks (https://quotebacks.net/). They're used nicely in this post by Tom Critchlow, for example: https://tomcritchlow.com/2023/02/10/riffs/
Not sure how feasible that is technically, tho. I think Paragraph considered something like it back in 2023, but I haven't heard any updates from them.
Don't know how feasbile the second would be either (a feed of aggregated responses to the same link). But maybe @stevedylandev.eth would have some ideas on that.
In any case, there have been many, many token experiments for sustainably funding "network goods" (ongoing maintenance work that benefits the whole network like moderation, CLPs, etc.) but AFAIK no one has cracked that code yet. 3 replies
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