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@miawintam
Really worth reading this thread https://x.com/manualzuru/status/1890403646048768450?s=46
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@leewardbound
love this, it's so fair and balanced, this is why i don't identify with most traditional leftist ideologies - just like capitalism "looks good on paper" but sucks hard in practice and late stage power dynamics, there's been significant failures in the implementation of socialist power structures that are too widespread to just ignore. marxist promises of equality and fairness are great but from what we've seen, even modern "success stories" like china and vietnam still struggle with rampant inequality and corruption, and wind up looking entirely too much like their capitalist counterparts. we need new power structures, we need new governance, we need new tools for coordination, blockchain is the only path forward
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@csmit
We need a fresh doctrine for the 21st century. I think it involves a combination of shock and awe (memes), secrecy (cryptography) and decentralisation (internet + blockchain)
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@leewardbound
im literally begging this whole channel for ideas on how this could work, ill code anything anytime anyplace if we can just envision what it should look like
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@csmit
Holy shit yes Yes I’m down for this, I think @tbsocialist has some good ideas, but yes we need to ship internet socialism full send So many different things to do We need a repository or something for this idk, how do we manage our ideas? Essays on ideas maybe? Blogs? Pseudo code?
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@leewardbound
^^ tagging Josh and suggesting a wiki is as far as everyone else ever gets, you're surrounded by a thousand tombstones, keep moving forward
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@csmit
Hahahha ok holy shit well thanks for the reality check. Hm maybe next step forward is experimenting with systems? I will continue to write out ideas to sharpen my thinking on this… at my university I’m trying to help setup a blockchain lab… I will keep working at this, maybe some micro systems can be tested, I am running a minecraft server and making a crypto plug-in for it atm. Maybe it would be a good test bed for socialist systems? 🤣
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@leewardbound
imho the only 2 things we actually need are 1) a flowchart of how it works, *incl all tokenomics solved*, and 2) then we build a solidity smartcontract no nodes no servers no lab needed glad you're ready to put some thought into it! fwiw ive bounced maybe 150 different ideas off gpt but haven't really hit anything i like yet
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@csmit
Yeah honestly that is a good lightweight plan. Would you say overall, that we are transitioning from discussion phase to implementation design phase then?
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@leewardbound
maybe im a backwards ass programmer but to me, discussion phase is roughly the same thing as the flowchart. if you get an idea, lay it out in flowchart, propose it for feedback, iterate on it until satisfied. obviously the goal is to get as much of the community supporting it as possible, or else what are we even doing here. the tokenomics presented in the flowchart must bare-minimum include a) the issuance mechanism, b) supply and demand drivers to encourage monetary velocity, and c) a general governance structure i would prefer not to poison your thinking with my own presumptions or past failed research, but for my part, ill say that single-token-models ive explored have largely felt too simplistic or lacked dynamics, often wound up in just a poorly planned plutocratic system. i think if it's gonna be pro-labor by any measure, it seems clear that there needs to be like 1 "money token" for economics and 1 "reputation token", where the rep token cannot be traded/bought/sold.
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@csmit
No not poison at all, in fact I wasn’t even thinking of having tokens in the first place, a dual token system is interesting though I was thinking a system where 1 account = 1 vote, but anyway I think we’re starting to get more technical now and it may be best to have on paper instead of cast hehe
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@leewardbound
start a wiki if it helps 😁 in a 1 account = 1 vote model, what gives someone an "account"? like holding an nft or something? how do we prevent sybil? these are the answers we need to move forward. what are we gonna build? how will it actually solve anything and not exacerbate the problems with existing systems?
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