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The complete bad faith takes coming out now are hilarious. Trump is not a martyr and he's not an anomaly. These folks literally stormed the capital and tried to hang the vice president. They tried to kidnap and presumably kill Gretchen Whitmer. And they tried to kill Pelosi, injuring her husband with a hammer. And that's just internal, below is a great reminder that political violence is the name of the game for the US.

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This is why mainstream media is at its lowest with no hope of returning to it’s previous glory and Trump is absolutely killing it, even on the stock market. 📈

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Can you clarify what you’re trying to say? Specifically, can you explain the relation of what I said to your conclusion?

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The mainstream media peddled these narratives and they all fell flat. The fbi was not only implicated in Jan 6 but also the whitmore case. In fact the agent in charge in the whitmore case was relocated to dc shortly before Jan 6. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/us/whitmer-kidnapping-trial.html https://youtu.be/DZQRetozhSY?si=6c7y6SPfw5qETiyy https://www.westernjournal.com/cruz-forces-fbi-dir-admit-agent-oversaw-whitmer-kidnap-plot-investigation-now-charge-dc-office/

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Interestingly, I don’t follow mainstream media, but you cited almost exclusively mainstream media. So I think you’re kind of disproving your point. That said, I was talking about the right wing (and specifically Trump’s) narrative after these events, which regardless of the truth of the events, was understood by the broader public and by the people making the comments to be political violence. Thanks for sharing though. I couldn’t understand the first comment’s wording.

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One nyt article out of four links shared doesn’t qualify as citing exclusively from the mainstream so my point is valid. Where do you derive your comment on how those events were interpreted by Trump, his supporters or anyone outside of your own self? Do you have any sources or interviews where this narrative was promoted? Thanks! I added a link with Trump speaking on “Law and Order” for context. https://youtu.be/1V46JPtj31s?si=Bluuv9_OuIWsYC54

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Right when it happened, his response was to say it was “our people” who did it and that it was “maybe a good thing” You can just go watch the clip of him saying it. Here’s a mainstream source (CNN) and a non-mainstream source (Zeteo) You shared NYT, New York Post, and Forbes. Three mainstream outlets. Also, come on. Trump is not the president of law and order in any way. He’s broken hundreds of laws, pardoned pedophiles and murderers, and was on Epstein’s island. He’s only “law and order” in that he wasn’t an authoritarian police state. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/trump-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-michigan/index.html https://youtu.be/BN5kBCTH-zk?si=g1OA_N61lLT0Akjg

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Is citing someone’s words and not sourcing it directly instead using third party opinions to narrate considered bad faith? I saw that speech but didn’t hear what you heard, if you could dig up the part in question it’ll help get your point across. Also I clearly didn’t cite the ny post or Forbes, not sure what your point is there but thanks for the reply!

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There’s a misunderstanding here and this goes for everything from academic research to journalism to online debates: when information (a famous speech, a televised debate on many channels, the bible etc) is widely available, ubiquitous, and known by a broad swath of the population, it is not necessary to provide citation. Is that the best practice? No, and I agree CNN didn’t do a great job which is why I included the clip from Zeteo where they literally show his responses. Context, provided by longer quotation/clips is what’s missing so I’ll give you that, but he’s nothing if not a broken record repeated the same things time after time. In fact he only ever negates these statements when he crosses lines and realizes there may be legal implications. Regardless, y’all have two awful authoritarians to choose from. One who is old and senile and likely to further divide the country, and an unrelenting dictator who will absolutely take away all freedom if people are foolish enough to believe his lies

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Saying an exact source is not necessary because the information is generally known comes off as a very bad faith argument especially with access to the world wide web and further weakens your point. Also as exhibited by Judge Cannons recent Trump document case, the Executive has many checks on his power and the narrative of any president from the right or left being a dictator is utterly ridiculous.

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To say that the Supreme Court is a check on the power of the presidency, especially as so many judges have broken from precedent, not recused themselves when personally implicated, and even dined and received gifts from political allies of the president, is absurd. I’ve written about this a lot, but the US system is garbage. It’s easy to game and republicans have gamed it. There are no checks. I’m happy that you’re happy with the results of all this. Fortunately for me I’m not stuck in that garbage fire of a country, but I feel for those who are worst hurt by the policies of the Republican Party and the broader conservative+MAGA coalition

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I didn't actually say that, in fact I never even referenced the supreme Court or any of its judges? The judge ruled the Executive does not have broad powers to appoint as he sees fit which is a blow for a would-be dictator. This decision wasn't made in the Supreme Court? It's hard to call a system garbage that you've demonstrated no knowledge of understanding imo. Almost all of your points were inaccurate, misdirection, uncited and the few sources you did use are not the best. Might want to work on those instead of pretending as if you had access to some superior information or understanding.

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You’re right, Cannon is distric court, my bad. This doesn’t change the validity of my argument, nor prove anything you’ve said. You demonstrated zero facts, just a few cherry picked attempts to refute me and a lot of confidence. You don’t have to take my word on the US system being garbage, ask a constitutional scholar, or you know look at any country in the democratic world, basically all of which have better systems than the US. Look at how systems like the US’ (France, Brazil) work far better, look at how parliamentary democracy is so much better and chosen by far more countries. Here’s a good conversation that broaches this subject. In any case, I don’t see that we’re getting anywhere here. Once we’ve arrived at you defending the US’ failures by trying to whatabouting my citations and single misspeakings, we know there’s no debate, just an attempted gotcha. Well message received. I got ya, friend. Enjoy your night. https://youtu.be/n_EofYXRBnM?si=33l3v10BYp6z2SWQ

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