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Crazy question. How do people feel about the death penalty especially in the context of these school shootings?

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I get your point. My concern is that we have a history of sentencing individuals to death that were innocent. "Since 1973, 200 former death-row prisoners have been exonerated of all charges related to the wrongful convictions that had put them on death row."

To me, it's not worth the risk. 

But overall, I am a big believer that we need to reform our justice system. 

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence

So a person kills 4 people. And we think rehabilitation is in play? 

I think of prisons in the USA as a breeding ground for bull jive. Then we socially frown upon felonies - reducing potential productivity of that individual when they get out. 

I have friends from high school who are locked for life, not getting out. So the state feeds & houses them for 60 years? 

If society deems someone impossible to rehabilitate then we execute. I’m also very cool with exile.

always against. doesn't make sense in any form.

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Lock them forever. Even worse them ending their lives no matter what you believe spiritually

Not so much a crazy question, as a difficult/charged question (to me, at least).

I can be swayed either way on this by a good argument.

I don't like the death penalty, there are a lot of problems with it.

However, when someone very intentionally takes the lives of innocents, particularly children, it is hard for me to rationalize why they should be forgiven in a way that costs tax payers money and/or gives them the chance to do more evil later on.

Yes ofc murdering a child that murdered other children is the solution, not to look at what's systemically broken that it could get that far.

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I completely agree with this, the real security is prevention.

I think that would lead to more school shootings given what these shooters seem to want.

Better justice would be prevention eg mental healthcare, gun control, more support for families.

Whomever was complicit in a child murdering other children should face jail time. Wasn't the FBI already monitoring/investigating the shooter? Egregious.

DEATH penalty though? That's the easy way out. Dude should get beat up everyday until he gains a conscience, then should live the rest of his days in turmoil.

the idea behind capital punishment is to prevent escalatory feuds (where justice is subjectively satisfied beyond proportion, then reciprocated with the same bias).

in a contemporary context, feuds aren't competently suppressed by the most costly form of incarceration, nor is the punishment itself a public good in the imperial sense.

the SHU is already severe to a prohibitive degree.

I don't really care about what they've done, I'm always going to be against it

Biggest issue I have with it is that if you allow the government the power to kill its citizens... The mechanism eventually gets politicized. 

People have confessed to crimes they haven't committed, henious or petty crimes. For many reasons, may be it a personal reason, but others due to cohersion from the prosecution.

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Ethically and philosophically, you cannot accept that legal reason is more justified than insanity.

A healthy society solves its problems without violence.

In theory I am pro death penalty for heinous crimes, but the reality is that in practice the judicial system is far from perfect and will at times convict the wrong individual, therefore the odds of even one wrongly convicted inmate being put to death by the state should never ever be allowed.

Well an unpopular (by some) but simple solution, is to make guns harder to get, and you won’t have to kill anyone. 🤷 (like in most countries on the planet)

At least the ones that uses the metric system 😄

It seems to be reserved only to the most humanistic, democratic, and developed countries on Earth.