balajis
@balajis.eth
š All right. Letās go a few rounds. Our mutual friend @mazmhussain can adjudicate. (1) First: startup societies are based on 100% consent. No one is there who hasnāt chosen to be there. No one is in a hierarchy if they havenāt opted into that hierarchy. Signing the social contract to join a community is much like signing a contract to join a company: you view the docs, make an informed decision, and opt out if it doesnāt work. That right to exit is the fundamental right. (2) Second: not all existing laws are good laws, like the PATRIOT Act. Sunsetting *some* laws doesnāt mean you donāt believe in laws in the abstract. (3) Third: you likely have views on what your ideal community would be. Maybe itās a vegan village. Maybe itās modern Amish, where tech is paused at the level of flip phones and people enjoy each otherās company. If you ever decided to build such a peaceful, opt-in community, then we would support you. And thatās what startup societies are about.
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Ryan Grim
@ryangrim
Youāre probably already deeply familiar with the sordid history of utopian communities in the 19th and 20th century but for those arenāt, basically all of them collapsed or worse. That doesnāt mean nobody should be able to try again it doesnāt bode well. And of course, thereās no such thing as fully cleaving yourself off from society. What you allow to happen there will require external resources and will influence the rest of the world. And usually there will also be people already there. Iāve interviewed several residents of the Honduran island prospera has tried to take over and they never opted in and are appalled by it. I didnāt directly address some of your other points but will try again later.
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Leeward Bound
@leewardbound
+1 for the local consent argument, it's not a "network state" but i moved to PR for tax benefits in 2018 not knowing what i was getting into... i learned quickly that the locals largely hate the tax program and they hate the colonizer youtube star cryptobros who are driving them out of their homes and disrupting communities (and they are super justified in that because the US oppression is long-standing and systemic) i left 18mo later feeling bad and questioning my values, i couldn't stand being a part of that. im curious what could be done to improve the relationship of a network state with the local community and win legitimate consent - if anything, or maybe it will always be a colonial and disruptive practice?
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Spaceman Spiff š©āøļø
@spaceman-spiff
You can see this same migration pattern of wealth inside the US. People from high cost of living areas in California have moved to Oregon and Texas and receive a similar amount of ire from the locals. They drive up housing prices and "push out" the locals.
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