⌨💸 we increased the Developer Rewards weekly payout from $3 to $5k! algo also got a tweak with a focus on daily and transacting users and a boost for higher signal users (e.g. Farcaster Pro) that interact with your mini app instead of strictly how many interactions or transactions
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MOΞ avatar
the developer rewards leaderboard should just be the trending apps leaderboard. it's so much better at representing what's actually trending. why have two algos?
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
i want to rewrite the trending one next and have it be much more sensitive to velocity so it’s frequently changing on a daily basis the rewards is not about velocity but just total usage
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adrienne avatar
Are you tracking off chain interactions too or just onchain transactions? I know the overall North Star is transactions, but I’ve got a miniapp that people seem to like but the main use case is not crypto (will be adding more crypto stuff in the future but only when it adds value to users, don’t want to add it just to add)
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
yes DAU is the biggest contributor so you can do well on the rewards board without onchain txs, farcade is a great example but it’s certainly much harder if your scoring zero on onchain activity
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adrienne avatar
gotcha, thx! have you seen the one I built yet? miniapp.gmfarcaster.com Its main purpose is for watching our live stream (when we are live) or the most recent recorded episode (when we aren't). Open to all feedback and critique and suggestions for how to improve it!
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Matthew Fox 🌐 avatar
Any official plans on 7702 with the farcaster app wallet I know technically we could let users do that now but it wouldn't necessarily align with plans you might have Getting nixxed from the leaderboard makes it damn tempting to just do it though We do 1000s of TX per day with embedded wallets rn
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
how often do users do a txn with the farcaster wallet? one of the changes is to not look at raw tx volume since approval / embedded don’t show up there and they are hard to value anyway and instead a simpler “are users at least doing some transactions” re 7702 are you thinking of a session key or something else?
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Matthew Fox 🌐 avatar
Right now they don't have to do much once they have funds in the app but there are plenty of value bearing txs after that (using embedded at this point in the flow) We use embedded 4337 wallets to batch everything so it's not a million clicks If we can do that with farcasters wallet we would + probably use session keys here
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
i think a more likely next step is we add a one click action to verify an embedded wallet / figure out how to attribute onchain activity not through our wallet but still through mini apps
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Matthew Fox 🌐 avatar
Fair enough, let me know when you need someone to test that out with :)
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mvr 🐹 avatar
Had 2 apps in, now 0 😅
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
dang sorry—mind sharing the two apps? perhaps I can give some insight we'll also consider expanding the number of recipients as well at some point
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mvr 🐹 avatar
Sure np, it's probably for a good reason they are no longer in if other apps score better with the new algo. But I did notice an app (in top 10) in the rewards leaderboard is not in top 100 trending. Thought that was a bit odd The apps: Tipopolis.hamst.art And Airdrop.ham.cooking
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0xFran 🫂 avatar
FWIW I hope you are looking at esoteric activity too. Not to be too dramatic, but we had a really sour experience with Optimism's retroactive grants fundamentally mis-allocating rewards due to how they were calculating things. Here are some examples: 1. If you count number of transactions, then miniapps like Streme.fun where all staking operations can be batched will be at a disadvantage 2. If you only count user-driven operations, but not rewards paid out, then apps like PromoLeague by DegenFans or our own Yoink app would be at a disadvantage, since they are streaming rewards back to everyone (but users themselves don't make transactions AFAIK) 3. If you only look at token transfers, you'll miss all the token rewards being streamed every block by Superfluid powered apps (for example all the tokens on streme.fun, promoleague, astroblock, Sup? frame) I don't envy you, but hope you don't cut too many corners. Perceived fairness is important!
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
all good points and agree this is one of the reasons we simplified things so that the two biggest drivers are: - how many unique users are using the app daily - are those users transacting? note for the second one it's not about how many txs they do since this is hard to capture fairly for the reasons you outlined, so long as you have users and they occasionally do things in our wallet you'll score well
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Zeni avatar
I like these
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cody avatar
question about the trending apps list. how frequently do the apps update there in response to new data? am seeing a lot of mini apps that seem pretty old (or were ephemeral) and unlikely to maintain strong DAU.
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Tony D’Addeo avatar
stale for reason probably a bug
i want to rewrite the trending one next and have it be much more sensitive to velocity so it’s frequently changing on a daily basis the rewards is not about velocity but just total usage
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cody avatar
ohh. would love to see trending focus on velocity. more fun to track. also. would be cool to see both of these as mini apps. I forgot where the developer rewards view was and didn't even realize @scratch was ranked.
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amazing!! explains this i was like wth are tons of people buying the new packs
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zoo avatar
that might be me checking rankings a zillion times a day 😅
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Pichi avatar
I thought Farcaster Pro wasn't supposed to have ANY affect on engagement or visibility...but now Pro users usage counts more? Am I understanding this correctly?
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Gasali avatar
I’m a pro user and i’m still stylishly spam labeled, replied are hidden and i’m not on the weekly rewards leaderboard
Matt avatar
I would love more data on the mini app leaderboard. I feel like there’s maybe something in the /tortoise usage patterns that suppresses its rankings and I could probably fix if I knew what it was
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ciniz avatar
interesting
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agrimony↑🎩 avatar
builders gonna eat!
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kevilini.base.eth avatar
@crunklez lfg, cant wait for /cattown to keep climbing
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kevilini.base.eth avatar
i think the new changes should benefit greatly, especially with the upcoming daycare system (and it should nudge some mini apps down a few notches)
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would it be possible to show the rank for apps that aren't in the top 50? or is it part of algo obfuscation?
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Still only for the top 50? Or are you extending that?