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@nir
I served in the IDF in the last military ground operation in Gaza and led a squadron in the West Bank. AMA
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why hasn’t a two state solution worked? what’s the single highest leverage thing Israel could do as a state today to solve this for the future?
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Two state solution hasn’t worked for a ton of reasons but main ones might be that West Bank is too strategically/religiously important for Israel to un-occupy w/o guaranteed peace (like we did with Gaza) and Gaza isn’t large enough to be a country (resource-wise).
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why do many people (including Israelis) call Gaza an open-air prison, while others say that’s absolutely not the case? what’s the point of interpretation here that is so divergent?
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Difficult one to tackle but some points of interpretation: Gazans can all leave if they want, just not to Israel and they can’t come back which is complicated Egypt also has a border with Gaza, dislikes them, rarely gives aid and no water/electricity, no one talks about this
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what do you mean they can’t come back? would it be better if there was a more open border between the areas or is that too unsafe because of Hamas?
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Like the Palestinians displaced in 48 and 67, assuming they fled to Egypt, they won’t be able to return to Gaza or Israel ever. Besides disliking them this is one of the reasons Egypt won’t take them and why Hamas doesn’t want them to leave: to keep the Palestinian demographic up Also why Israel wants them to
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why can’t they return? What about refuge in Jordan? I mean it seems at this point like, Israel could invest some of its massive military budget to help people find homes elsewhere? Like any Palestinians who want can take a $$ to be relocated? Or are the civilians too stuck about “the land?”
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Israel would LOVE for them to go, and it’s generally a common Israeli talking point “why doesn’t Jordan absorb the people or even the West Bank entirely? We have peace w Jordan”. Israel doesn’t want them to come back bc a reduction in Gazan population serves their interest, also smuggling concerns.
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Jordan doesn’t want them bc it encourages others to leave too and if they all get absorbed by Jordan it’ll shift their demographics substantially too. The Jordanian king doesn’t want that
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Is Jordan super rich? What if Israel paid for it and they created a program of migration over 10 years, along with building new infrastructure. But I guess it’s the same thing. Jordanians fashion themselves elite - and refugee influx is not elite. EOD we’re all zero sum savages who care just about ourselves.
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Yea that last line is too true lol. Other issue for Jordan would be pressure from Iran and other larger players who want Israel gone and hate the US. Taking in the refugees would be a big setback to Palestinian statehood and considered pro-Israel by most.
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