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Targeting agents of Israel is not a hate crime. It’s a politically motivated crime. This dudes manifesto doesn’t talk about the Jews. It talks about Israel and their attacks on Gaza. Clear as day that this wasn’t motivated by religion.

brother, you’re wrong

israel is a jewish state - always has been and always will be

you can’t be anti zionist without being anti semitic

your original cast diminishes the gravity of cold blooded murder

it’s easily read as “this isn’t that bad because it’s not actually a hate crime”

obviously i know not all israelis are jews… what does that have to do with anything?

When did I justify it? I pointed out that it was a crime motivated by politics, not religion.

Lots of Israelis aren’t Jews too. You know that, right?

regardless of whether you want to accept this as a hate crime or not, can you at least see that this is literal terrorism you’re justifying?

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clearly those people are virtue signaling and don’t actually hate israel that much

and clearly you don’t know what genocide is

yes, you can, there are anti zionist people inside israel.. and those guys committing a genocide are precisely those who defend zionism and not the opposite

I hate this take so much and can't emphasize how wrong and bad it is. 

You don't really believe it either (or at least I hope you dont) because by your logic since the state represents the entire religion that any crimes the state does is done in the name of the religion as a whole. Or that netanyahu should be a pope equivalent of the Jewish religion.

Your logic doesn't hold up to any other country but zealots' logic rarely does so...

No? You’re literally adding shit I didn’t say and conflating things I don’t mean.

My OP calls this a politically motivated crime, by its very definition - terrorism.

what’s your point?

that murdering people who work for israel is justified and morally acceptable?

and? This dude didn’t have to fly to DC to attack Jews. He could have done that anywhere. He chose to attack people who worked for Israel…

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Zionism is far more complex than just supporting the right of Israel to exist and it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Zionism has always existed hand in hand with anti-Arab sentiment, going back to its earliest supporters. 

And in what way is bombing schools, mosques and hospitals Israel defending itself? Israel’s own estimates admit that at least half of those killed have been civilians— and trustworthy sources state it to be 70%. That’s genocide. And anyone who supports the wholesale slaughter of children is someone whose opinion is irrelevant.

let’s define some terms:

zionism = the movement supporting the right for israel (the jewish state) to exist

anti-zionism = the opposite of the above; the movement supporting the destruction of israel, ensuring it has no right to exist

i don’t believe there are jews that believe israel should not exist - sure, maybe some self hating ones, but they’re the outlier, not the norm 

i do believe (and i know) many jews that think israel is currently handling things in gaza the wrong way

as a zionist jew myself, yes - i believe israel has a right exist, which includes the right to defend itself against terrorists

There are many anti-Zionist Jews, in Israel and without. Excluding them makes your argument look shallow and ill-informed.