I interviewed Anjan Katta about @daylightcomputer: the embodiment of his vision for the future of computing. I love computers. But lately they bend me to their will much more than the inverse. My iPhone feels more like a "pacifier for the mind" than Steve Job's dream of a "bicycle for the mind." Anjan imagines a future of computers that amplify our humanity: devices that return agency, designed around light and respect rather than attention extraction. We cover: - SV's optimization of means, yet confusion of goals - building non-inevitable technology and products - relationship as the defining aspect of computers, and how the iPhone is our primary relationship to the world - why light was the starting point for a new computer - avoiding paternalism with products that make it feel easier to focus - developing intuition that is more intelligent than data - computers as magical companions—Hobbes, Dynabook, or The Primer - Harry Potter computing: magical everyday objects dialectic.fm/anjan-katta